Ashlee Hypolite on Hollywood CPR, Breaking Into Below-the-Line Careers, and Creating Real Pathways Into Entertainment
Guest: Ashlee Hypolite
Titles: Executive Director of Hollywood CPR; nonprofit leader; workforce development advocate; social impact strategist
Episode Theme: How access, workforce training, and intentional career pathways can help more people break into entertainment especially in below-the-line roles that keep productions running.
Why this matters right now: As the entertainment industry continues to contract, many aspiring creatives are still only hearing about the same handful of jobs; writer, actor, director, producer—while thousands of essential behind-the-scenes careers remain overlooked. In this episode, Ashlee Hypolite breaks down how Hollywood CPR is helping diversify below-the-line crews, creating direct pipelines into union careers, and proving that access should not depend on who you know.
In this conversation, she reflects on growing up in Boston as the daughter of Trinidadian parents, navigating predominantly white spaces, and how her early experiences shaped her passion for equity. She shares her path from studying politics and sociology at Brandeis University to working in philanthropy, later landing at Creative Artists Agency, where she gained firsthand exposure to Hollywood’s power structures. Ashlee also breaks down how Hollywood CPR helps aspiring crew members enter union careers through free training, hands-on experience, and real job placement opportunities.
What we talk about
Growing up in Boston with Trinidadian roots and navigating identity (00:01:55)
Studying politics, sociology, and law before entering philanthropy (00:06:36)
What philanthropy actually means and how funding relationships work (00:07:43)
Starting at Creative Artists Agency and learning Hollywood from the inside (00:10:42)
How Hollywood CPR creates direct pathways into union careers (00:13:58)
Why you’ll want to listen
A real breakdown of how philanthropy funds impact work (00:08:01)
How free workforce programs can help people break into Hollywood (00:20:01)
A practical explanation of entertainment union locals and what they do (00:21:28)
Why below-the-line careers deserve more attention (00:23:40)
“You’re gonna grow into that nose.” (00:27:01)
About the guest
Ashlee Hypolite is the Executive Director of Hollywood CPR, a nonprofit workforce development organization helping people build sustainable careers in film, television, and live events. Her work focuses on expanding access to below-the-line careers through education, union partnerships, and job placement opportunities. Before leading Hollywood CPR, she worked in philanthropy and later at Creative Artists Agency, where she supported initiatives centered on artists of color, convening, and social impact. A proud daughter of Trinidadian parents, Ashlee continues to advocate for more equitable pathways into entertainment while helping build the next generation of crew professionals.
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Introduction
Fanshen Cox [00:00:00]: Welcome back to season seven of the Sista Brunch Podcast. We are here continuing to bring you the stories of black women and black gender expansive people who are thriving in film, tv, media and more. This guest today has done it all and will continue to. I think, I think I'm excited for you to know this guest because she is changing through teaching, through nurturing the future of this industry. So very excited to welcome our incredible guest today, Ashlee Hypolite. And she is a Trinidadian. We had to make sure because I was thinking we had all Caribbean and we do have all Caribbean. You Jamaicans now Trinidadian. A little bit. We're mixing it up and we're okay with that. So let me tell you some more about Ashlee. So she currently serves as the executive director of a little organization, only the iconic Hollywood Seed Board PR working at the intersection of film, TV and social impact, helping the industry move from intention to accountability. Welcome, Ashlee.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:01:14]: Thank you for having me.
Fanshen Cox [00:01:16]: It's so good to have you here. You've done a lot of different things, but always in that kind of like, social impact area and in the industry. And so we like to start off by just understanding your journey to take us as far back as you want. Could go back to Trinidad and your great great grandparents or your birth or your time in Holly. As far back as you want to go. But tell us how you ended up doing what you do today.
Growing Up Trinidadian in Boston
Ashlee Hypolite [00:01:44]: Sure. So. Oh, I haven't had the opportunity to, like, date back to when I actually want to start the story.
Fanshen Cox [00:01:50]: Okay.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:01:51]: I'm going to start it in Boston, Massachusetts.
Fanshen Cox[00:01:55]: Yes.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:01:56]: So my parents, they actually met. They're both from Trinidad, but they met in Boston.
Fanshen Cox [00:02:04]: What were they doing in a cold place like that? Don't make no sense.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:02:06]: Yeah, good, good. Because I think about that every day. So my mom, she. My mom has such a fascinating story that I actually have only learned in recent years because she's been very protective of that story. But I won't tell all her business, but she basically got herself out of a tough situation in Trinidad and she started her life by herself in the United States in Boston. And she was actually working at, like, a hair salon. She had all these random jobs, but she didn't have the privilege of, like, completing school and that sort of thing. So she found her way in Boston. She ended up meeting my dad. And my dad was. He concentrated in media and film at Boston University. And so he went to college and he knew that he found, like, there was a lot of power in storytelling. And so that's what he wanted to do with his career. And they met. They had my sister, they had me. And so we went to Boston public schools for, like, the first, I don't know, nine years of our life. And then my dad walked in to my sister's classroom. We went to this school called the Orchard Gardens, and he found there was, like, a child that was, like, throwing a desk across the classroom, and it was just chaos. And so he's like, you know what? I'm gonna move us out of here, and we're gonna find a better school district. So we ended up moving to the suburbs.
Fanshen Cox [00:03:51]: Okay, where did you move to?
Ashlee Hypolite[00:03:53]: It was, like, 30 minutes outside of Boston. It was a town called Stoughton. But what that meant it was a very white school. So we moved to a place where there was a lot of thriving diversity, and then we moved out and were raised in a very homogeneously white town. And I'm happy to say the story of that town has shifted and there's a lot more diversity. But, yeah, it was a very interesting way to be brought up, because there was just so happened to be, like, the other student of color was a little Trinidad boy. And, yeah, I don't know what the chances are of that. But anyway, we went to school there. I ended up. My sister went to Brandeis. I ended up following in her path also. She was, like, very. She's quintessentially like, the first child that does everything right.
Fanshen Cox [00:04:47]: Okay.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:04:47]: Full ride to college, all of that good stuff. And then I followed, and in a less impressive.
Fanshen Cox [00:04:54]: I can't believe it. This is less impressive. My goodness.
Early Career in Philanthropy
Ashlee Hypolite [00:04:58]: Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, we had a great. I'm, like, very thankful to my family. They made a lot of sacrifices for us. But my sister and I, like, very, very close. So I started my career in the nonprofit world. I helped kind of set up different philanthropic funds for charitable organizations and corporate partners and that sort of thing. So I was doing philanthropic consulting.
Fanshen Cox [00:05:23]: What do you study in school? And especially because you said you kind of had some film TV seeds planted from your dad. Was that still in your mind at all? So, like, when it came to philanthropy, were you looking for things in that. In that arena?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:05:39]: You know, what's interesting is my dad, he. He was always very resourceful. Like, growing up, me and my cousins were the actors and actresses in his film projects that he experimented on us with. So we had, like, a horror movie. It was called Jealousy. And My sister. All you see, like, the opening scene is my sister doing, like, the dead man's float in the pool. Cause it like started off with her dead body, but she can't. She couldn't swim without closing her nose. So it's like, no. Yeah. But it is really interesting because whenever I actually reflect on my life, I'm like, okay, all roads kind of did point to me ending up in this intersection of social impact and philanthropy and education and entertainment.
Fanshen Cox [00:06:29]: Yeah, but what do you study in school then, Brandeis, that leads you into philanthropy?
Studying Politics, Sociology & Law
Ashlee Hypolite [00:06:36]: So I studied politics, sociology, and I minored in law. So I thought I was going to be maybe an attorney or I thought I was going to do something in the nonprofit space, which that ended up being true. And all of my internships, I did an internship teaching. I also did an internship like advocating for gender justice through the International Criminal Court. So, like, everything kind of informed where, where I'm at, but yeah, politics, sociology, the study of people, how all of those things intersect is really what got me here.
Fanshen Cox [00:07:09]: Okay, Okay. I mean, we can get this to this a little bit later, but because we're talking about philanthropy, I think it's. It's so well worth talking about finances. Right. Because it is, it is about how nonprofits, how storytellers in a lot of cases are able to thrive.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:07:30]: Right.
Fanshen Cox [00:07:31]: Both survive and also tell their story. So can you. Let's break down what philanthropy is really, and then what. What it looks like for you to work in philanthropy.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:07:43]: So philanthropy, and I think often people just kind of label themselves as a philanthropist or something like that, but essentially it is trying to contribute to the social betterment of the world. And that can. Is often through charitable funds.
Fanshen Cox [00:08:01]: So giving money also, it's not always money, I guess. That's so funny. That's how I think of it. But it really is. I mean, you can do in kind. You can.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:08:10]: Exactly. Money is very helpful. Yes. But yes, you can also give in kind contributions. There are a lot of corporations that are able to provide space or they're able to provide whatever their product is as an in kind contribution. But yes, it's just giving back for the betterment of the community.
Fanshen Cox [00:08:31]: So you found yourself with an ability to kind of like connect people who had the resources, whether it's in kind, whether it's, you know, kind of material resources, whether it's money to people who needed it or organizations that needed it. Right?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:08:48]: Yes, yes. So it's been, for me, it's really been a learning opportunity because I think a lot of people have their own ideas of what it makes to what it means to create impact and so often you're talking to companies or you're talking to people and you're asking them, and you're asking yourself, like, how, how can they contribute? Contribute in a way that leverages their positionality. So maybe that is like they hold a high stakes position in their company and they're able to kind of move politically in a way that can support this arm of the work. Or, you know, like I said, the best contributions can be monetary and really nice. And it is. And it is trying to also see where they can come in because it's often like a growing experience between the two entities. So if the donor can come in at a certain level, but then as you get to know the donor more and they get to level up within their positioning, then they can give more.
Fanshen Cox [00:09:57]: Okay. So it's like Hollywood in the sense of building the relationship, maintaining it, continuing on. Okay, okay. It's so funny. Like, I realize, I don't. I hear the word. I would love to know more philanthropists in my life personally.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:10:13]: Right.
Fanshen Cox [00:10:13]: But then I'm always like, how does it happen? Yes. Right. Okay. So you end up working with some folks with big names. How does that, how do you kind of cross over into that?
Breaking Into Hollywood Through CAA
Ashlee Hypolite [00:10:25]: Yeah, yeah. I will say that when I came to LA, I really didn't fully understand the landscape of entertainment. So I started off at CAA and I really didn't under. I don't think I understood, like, how big of a name CAA was.
Fanshen Cox [00:10:42]: Okay, it might be for the better.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:10:45]: Yeah, right. Yeah. But it was. I started off weirdly enough in the tech department, and then I ended up after that year working for one of the partners at CAA. And that's really when I was exposed to, okay, this is how CAA really is super influential, how they advocate for talent and all of the various arms of entertainment that they serve. So I think that was a really interesting. That was really interesting exposure to me. And it's like name of the game is there are a whole bunch of different clients that are coming in and walking through those stores. And so eventually I got to sit in on pitch meetings, be a part of pitch meetings. I held a role where I was helping with a lot of the convenings and conferences, so convening a lot of artists of color so that they can come and kind of network and build their own enterprises and just collectively help one another. And so that was a really great opportunity, but also an opportunity to understand, like, you know, being in those spaces with super influential people, what to say, what to not say. The Soft skills that I teach our students and we teach our students every day. But a part of that, I think there are two levels of like financial understanding. It's like understanding, you know, the influence around you. And then I had my own journey because I was very much a. I, you know, I started, my first job was in the mail room at Brandeis Mailroom and I got like this. I remember getting these checks of $20 and being like, what am I gonna do with this? But it is one of those things where then your checks start getting bigger and then you're like, oh, I need to put some of this money away. And it was actually a fellow like former person that I worked with at CAA that started to talk to a financial advisor and then she put me on to her financial advisor. Yeah, when I made some of these big jumps, Yeah, I wouldn't say I was ready for it. But to this day I'm learning and I'm learning that, you know, you have your, your accounts and you get and you let them just take out what they can. Like you're like, that just goes to my retirement. That just goes into that account. So yeah, it's that journey of learning, but also learning how to keep an organization sustainable. A nonprofit needs to have reserves. What is that process? And those are all things that I'm building with the organization as well.
What Is Hollywood CPR?
Fanshen Cox [00:13:19]: So then let's talk about Hollywood CPR. Because one it is, you know, when you talk about Pathways programs in the industry, it is the first one. Every, every studio that I'm in touch with.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:13:31]: Yeah.
Fanshen Cox [00:13:31]: Is always working with you. All the other folks are very jealous. Right. But it's because there's kind of a, you know, there's kind of a history there. But you have recently. Oh gosh, not recently anymore. What are you two years in of running the program, which is amazing. And we hear nothing but incredible stories about how you're doing. So let's start by just tell everyone what Hollywood CPR is. Let's start there.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:13:58]: Sure. So Hollywood CPR is a nonprofit organization that provides workforce development for the below the line crafts of the film and TV and live event industries. And so we are the IA signatory program. So what that means is that we are referenced in the bargaining agreement and we are very much union approved training. So we have union members come into the classroom and provide their instruction. And so as the industry evolves, all of our instructors are active in the industry, so they're able to impart their wisdom in the next generation of entertainment folks.
Fanshen Cox [00:14:41]: And it's one of the only programs where you get your, you can build to your union membership by being enrolled. Right.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:14:50]: So if you can complete all of the standards of the program, get the 640 hours of experience. So our program has instruction, classes, training and also these hours of experience and sign off of your instructor. And so when you can meet all of those marks, you get entry level union placement.
Training Programs & Union Career Paths
Fanshen Cox [00:15:09]: Let's talk about the different programs that you offer.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:15:13]: So we have, our film and TV pathways consists of set dressing, grip, set lighting, costume. We also have, we're working on a construction pathway, hair and makeup and, and set painting and editing as well.
Fanshen Cox [00:15:34]: Right. Yeah, I love it. And when you came in, things were that we'll say the person who was running it passed away sadly. And. And so it really kind of, I think needed just a boost.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:15:51]: Yeah.
Fanshen Cox [00:15:52]: And. And now that's what you're doing.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:15:56]: We really like the crux of our training has always been in partnership with the community college. And so right now we're actually negotiating a district wide contract so that we're able to have a few different training hubs. But we trained this last set of set lighting and grip training. We were able to train with one of our local partners. So it was Local 80 and hosted there.
Fanshen Cox [00:16:20]: Okay.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:16:22]: And then we now have, we're running a training course at the Palladium because the Palladium is a training house for our local 33 members. So we're doing running training and then folks get to be trained and hired over at the Palladium. So yeah, it's been a really exciting role. I think out of all of the positions I've had, being able to get people jobs is the most exciting and the most rewarding because you know, we're not only getting people jobs but we're helping to start careers. We're able to provide folks with those soft skills all of the professionalism tips that someone that's really new to our industry, which is who we recruit, wouldn't know right off the bat. So yeah, it's an, it's a privilege and I love, I feel like we
Fanshen Cox [00:17:11]: I have to say because I think so many of our listeners, we've got so many people who are kind of like across the country interested in moving to LA. And so what would they need to do to be part of the program?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:17:22]: Yeah, well, you can go to the website, so Hollywoodcpr.org and depending on the pathway that you're interested in, it's a little bit of a different process. But if you have a traditional craft Pathway that you're really interested in that consists of kind of taking these foundational classes. Intro to production. You take a course on tools, really understanding the fundamentals of the business, and then you graduate on to get your instruction in a level one and level two course. So you can take grip level one, grip level two, or a set of training, and then that unlocks your ability to start earning hours on set. So to complete the program, you have to have hours on set. And a lot of students who come through the program, they also get these coveted opportunities that are traineeships, so they get to train on studio sets. We have a number of studio partners that help kind of bridge that learning gap. And then, yeah, we, we are really being intentional about making sure folks are ready for an industry that is, you know, it's. It's hard and you have to set yourself apart and you have to constantly be networking, constantly extending your network in really unconventional ways because the business has changed so, so much. And we always encourage folks to be entrepreneurs to really make a website or showcase your work in really interesting ways. And so, yeah, it's been really interesting to try to meet the industry in this current moment, but it is an exciting challenge and our team is. Is doing what they can to meet that challenge.
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Ashlee Hypolite [00:19:45]: Hi, Sista Brunch fam. My name is Ashlee Hypolite and you are watching Sista Brunch podcast.
Let’s Talk Finance: Why Hollywood CPR Is Free
Fanshen Cox[00:19:51]: Okay. Actually, I'm realizing this is a perfect financials segment to ask you what does it cost for someone to be part of Hollywood CPR?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:20:01]: Yeah. So depending on the pathway, and like I said, we're negotiating with the community college, so this may look different, but our actual training through Hollywood CPR is free.
Fanshen Cox[00:20:13]: So I'm just saying. Do we hear this? Yeah. I mean, that's amazing.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:20:18]: Yeah. When we do work with the community college, if you're able to enroll full time and if you're able to, if you do exhibit financial need. The community college is also a really flexible way to kind of get some of those costs alleviated. So that's why the community college partnerships are so important to us as opposed to private institutions that we could partner with. So we try to make it as affordable or free and we want to keep it that way. So that's why we need the fund
Let’s Talk Tech
Fanshen Cox [00:20:45]: philanthropist is what we're saying. I love it. I love it, I love it. Okay, our next segment is called let's Talk Tech. So this is a term, you know, it could be verbiage, it could be an actual tangible, physical thing that you use that if someone outside of what you do heard the term, they would have no idea what it was.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:21:09]: Yes. Well, as I was. This is one of the questions that I was like, oh, don't know if I'm super prepared. But then I was thinking about what I do in my day to day, and that's working with all of the unions and all of the numbers that come around with the union. So for example, local 33.
Fanshen Cox [00:21:28]: Yes. You've already. You said like IA local. Yes. And local that. So tell us more. What? Yes.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:21:34]: So that was an exciting learning curve for me when I was starting because all I was hearing around me as I was onboarding was Local 33, Local 80, Local 728.
Fanshen Cox [00:21:48]: Right.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:21:48]: And. And I was like, okay, what does that mean? And so I had this little cheat code. All of the locals, all of the unions and what numbers correlated with which union. And so, yeah, I think that it can shift depending on your geography. But essentially in LA, we have a number of unions that make up, you know, that are IATSE unions. And so for us, Local 33 is stagehands local ADR grips also can refer to medics and a number of other crafts, but essentially they all correlate with crafts or trades. Okay. And it is really. And when we say below the line, we mean the behind the scene roles, that sort of thing. So there's a number of terms that I did not know. So everyone like, you know, you need to know that you have the potential to learn and you can learn it quickly. And now I know them like the background of my hands.
Fanshen Cox [00:22:52]: Oh, so good. Okay. I just love it. I want, you know, we're always especially looking for, like, first of all, we want a gaffer on this show. Okay. You find if you're training a black woman gaffer.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:23:05]: I'm sure we have.
Why Below-the-Line Careers Matter
Fanshen Cox [00:23:08]: That's what we need. Because I. We can't find one. So please. Yep. That's what I would love. And you, you know, you talked about the grips and. And these are really. I mean, what. What I love about Hollywood CPR is like, I think these are roles that people don't think about. Like, they come to Hollywood and you want to go straight to director, writer, and producer. And those are great and important, but you have to do so much before you get to do those roles. And this is an amazing place to learn and maybe find something that you didn't know you love. Right?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:23:40]: Absolutely. And, yeah, I always think that there are. There's just so many classifications within a union, like Local 44, the set dressing union. It's also props, and it's also construction, and it's also upholstery, and all of these other areas that, you know, you go into the unions, you then eventually, after a few years, can specialize. And. Yeah, it's really.
Fanshen Cox [00:24:06]: There's so much open to you. It is not just, you know, it is not just the roles that you hear about. There are people that are making all the other stuff. Stuff happen on the sets. Right. And on those. Your favorite projects that are other things happening. I love it. Okay, this has gone by too fast. We will have you on next season. We're gonna tell ghost stories together. Maybe we'll have you do. So. Ashlee has a podcast about. With. With Ghost Stories, so we'll make sure we plant seeds on that. But our signature Sista Brunch questions. So, Ashlee, you and your younger self are sitting down to a Sista Brunch, and she can be whatever age you choose. Maybe an age where she needed to hear from you. Now, what are you both eating? What are you both drinking? And then what do you tell her?
Signature Sista Brunch Question
Ashlee Hypolite [00:24:55]: This is such a good question, because it really had me stuck as well as I was thinking about it. What would we have? I think I would meet my younger self at that awkward middle school age where you don't understand what's going on and you feel really insecure. And we would have. Because at this time, you know, we're going into the past, my grandmother would still be alive. She's the best cook. So she would make us a really good. She'd make us pepper pot, which was a Guyanese dish because she's from Guyana. Nice.
Fanshen Cox[00:25:41]: Okay, I gotta know what's in pepper pot?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:25:44]: Well, you can make it with different kinds of. I think it's. I'm pretty sure it's beef, but it's like there is a certain. I forgot what the base is. But basically it's like a preservative. So the more you cook it and you don't have to refrigerate it, it's. The flavor just comes through.
Fanshen Cox [00:26:08]: Wow.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:26:09]: And so you just have it in a pot simmering, and it's delicious. And you eat it with some white bread, and it's very, like, saucy. It's like stew chicken, but, like, deeper stew.
Fanshen Cox [00:26:17]: Okay.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:26:19]: And so we would be having that, and I think my older self would. Would always opt in for a coffee, but with my younger self, maybe I'd have, like, a Solo. Maybe I'll have, like, a soft drink.
Fanshen Cox [00:26:34]: Okay. How do you take your coffee?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:26:36]: Oh, black.
Fanshen Cox [00:26:37]: Really? What?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:26:38]: Yeah.
Fanshen Cox [00:26:39]: No, Nothing. No sugar? No.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:26:42]: Sometimes, like, if I.
Fanshen Cox [00:26:44]: If it's a grass, are you drinking it because you like the flavor? Are you drinking it to be able to stay awake?
Ashlee Hypolite [00:26:49]: Ah, depends.
Fanshen Cox [00:26:51]: Okay.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:26:51]: Like, I had my little European life, and I was drinking it for the flavor, and then when I came back to the States, I was drinking it for. To stay up.
Fanshen Cox [00:27:00]: Okay.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:27:01]: So.
Fanshen Cox [00:27:01]: Okay.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:27:01]: Yeah, so that's what I would do with my younger self. That's what I would eat. And, yeah, I would just say that, you know. You know what, girl? You're gonna grow into that nose, and you are gonna grow into your awkwardness. You're gonna find a person that can fix up your unibrow, and you. Yeah, you're gonna make your way and trust the process, trust the journey, and everything's gonna make sense soon.
Fanshen Cox [00:27:33]: Thank you. Ashlee, we love your nose. We love you. Unibrow or not. You're amazing. And truly, what you're doing is so impactful. Deeply impactful. People will, you're changing lives because you're teaching people how to really work. And then you allow those of us who push for inclusion, you allow us to be like. Like, don't tell us that they're not out there. Incredible graduates. Been able to see a couple graduations there at Hollywood cpr, and it's such a beautiful experience. So thank you for everything you do, and thank you for being part of the Sista Brunch family.
Ashlee Hypolite [00:28:11]: Thank you for having me. This is so great. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you.
Closing & Partnerships
Fanshen Cox [00:28:16]: Sista Brunch is brought to you by Trujulo Productions. Our show creators are Anya Adams, Christabel Nciabuati and me, Fanshen Cox. Our season seven producers are Tasha Rogers and Samantha K. Henderson. Our associate producers are Charlie T. Savage and Ashanti Groves. Sista Brunch is recorded on the unceded territory of the Tongva and the Chumash people in Hollywood this time at UPodcast Studios. Thank you so much for listening and watching and sharing and subscribing and reviewing us on Apple and Spotify. We're so grateful for all you do for our community and we're grateful for you for being part of our community. Thank you so much and we'll talk to you next time.